Posts by Muddy Waters

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Female Perspective about WTS, marital relationship & control

by Muddy Waters in

despite my user name, am female.

i was not born-in, began studying when i was around 20, am 50 damn years old now and have spent almost the last 30 years in that stupid religion.

but here are some observations, make of them what you will.

Muddy Waters

My goodness, I can't believe that 3 years have gone by since I posted this... and still appreciating - and living - the insights I've gained into my relationship with my husband (still the dearest and most wonderful man in the whole world) :) :) :)

I HOPE YOU ALL KNOW HOW MUCH I'VE APPRECIATED READING YOUR COMMENTS --

BU2B and Morpheus, I hope your life has improved or become more tolerable, such a difficult situation --

I have read loved and pondered and read everyone's comments over and over in different time frames since first writing this, but it becomes difficult sometimes to post into words all the feelings in my heart again (definite need to zen-out/re-charge/ and continue to LIVE and grow and learn and be encouraged by all the fantastic things in life) but perhaps I should have taken the time to personally respond to all of you who have responded so kindly and candidly as well to my post. *thank you*

...

However, feel like I'm still struggling in my relationship with our daughter... our relationship feels so adversarial at times... it seems all the insights I gained in respect to my husband, I have not quite applied to my relationship with our dear daughter.

I think there is still some "residual JW-ness" in me - ugh - and again, feel like I've gotten yet more insights and revelations into the awful ways WT still skews with and messes with a person's perspectives and relations and attitudes....

for example, the sneaky way -- for those who are CONVERTS or who have "come back" -- that the WT CHANGES YOUR WHOLE PERCEPTION OF YOURSELF REGARDING YOUR LIFE AS A PRE-JW

(which I talk about here, if anybody is interested: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5196879740534784/another-mind-boggling-healing-revelation-today-journey-out-this-goddam-cult )

And for me, that perception has *still* sadly been affecting my relationship with our only daughter. :(

-- it really does take awhile to get rid of the JW-goddam-personality --

- Muddy

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My Book With Bible Stories - 91 stories of murder and rape to be used as bedtime stories for your little children

by Anders Andersen in

"no honey, daddy doesn't like this book.

do you have a nice book we can read?.

as far as i know my wife and i agree this book would be off-limits.

Muddy Waters

Looking at this book just before I was about to give it to my pre-school little grandchildren is what finally got me to wake me up.

I only wished I had looked at that evil book with those same eyes when our own dear children were little....

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Humourous reasons to go back

by usualusername1 in

jw
friends

in my stand up comedy routine tonight i want to list humourous reasons why i shd go back to jws.. how about nobody throws parties like jws.. how about jws being at the cutting edge of fashion.. how about it being easier for men to get a date.. any ideas?.

paul.

Muddy Waters

Ok.. Trying to to think of humorous reasons to go back to meetings...

- because you're a Scrooge who doesn't wish to celebrate Christmas any longer

- because you really like hanging out with constipated, judgemental, pious, self-righteous, condescending, schmucks and trying to emulate them

- because you like holding a bible in your hand and feeling like (or "knowing!" 👀 that --) you have been granted special, secret, privileged, knowledge & wisdom from the Creator of the Universe himself!! - the Almighty, Holy, and Grand Jay-poo-bah...!!

- because somehow - it makes sense/ is reassuring? - to know that there are millions of invisible evil spirit beings watching your every move and who want to hurt you and kill you or tempt you and also want to do these same evil things to your family and loved ones... and that there are also millions of "good" spirit beings who do nothing really except stand around and watch you while they wring their hands and hope that you do the right thing, while apparently the only thing they "can" do is to maneuver you somehow into standing at someone's door to offer a tract or brochure.

- because gosh darn it, you really like the 1950's and all the values from that era and the 1920's and the 1880's too.... that whole vibe of masculine control combined with religious fervour (fever).....

And wearing important-looking special suits and ties and maybe hats and topcoats and debonair canes... And fancy box hats and gloves and pretty umbrellas (parasols?) for the ladies too...

Yes, a whole era of something appearing classy and worthy and having cookie-cutter perfection...

... An idea of utopia with values and ethics and morality gone horribly wrong....

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Humourous reasons to go back

by usualusername1 in

jw
friends

in my stand up comedy routine tonight i want to list humourous reasons why i shd go back to jws.. how about nobody throws parties like jws.. how about jws being at the cutting edge of fashion.. how about it being easier for men to get a date.. any ideas?.

paul.

Muddy Waters

Haha, these are great!

Other possible "professional" career-oriented reasons to go back:

- need to get some practice on cold-calling people

- wouldn't hurt to get in some chair-stacking practice

- public speaking and hand-shaking practice

- learning (or re-learning) how to tie various ties and knots, or scarves for women

- learning how to sit attentively and even take effective notes while bored out of your mind

... It is actually really difficult to think any reason(s) to return to such an insulated, hateful, narcissisticly-controlled and subjugated environment....!!

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Chapter 18 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower Slave

by new boy in

jw
friends

chapter 18. my privilege of service.

it was moved there in the spring of 1969 from the basement of the 124. why is it that people like to put laundries in basements?

the 119 was the newest of all the society’s properties.

Muddy Waters

Fascinating stuff, this peek behind the curtain, this glimpse into the "most holy of holies"...! Thank you for sharing, look forward to hearing more!!

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Anybody here live in Calgary, Edmonton or Vancouver?

by Christian Gutierrez in

jw
friends

hey are there people here from calgary, edmonton, vancouver or anywhere in between these cities??

?.

Muddy Waters

Yes... 😄 .... what's up..?

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The special talk is now BEFORE the Memorial

by wifibandit in

august 11, 2017 to all bodies of elders re: 2018 memorial invitations and date of special talk .

fyi:.

the 2018 memorial will be held on saturday, march 31, 2018.. the 2019 memorial will be held on friday, april 19, 2019..

Muddy Waters

Why, they are just so special, my goodness.

... think of it... special talks for special occasions!

(Even if they are the same talks for the same occasions, only special. Same special but different. Sort of.)

Because, you see, the special talk could be given AFTER the special occasion; and now the special talk can be given BEFORE the special occasion!!

Is this not the incredible work of the almighty creator's own hands and mind?

Think of the scope and magnitude of such momentous announcements and arrangements. Incredible, I know!! I mean, who thinks of this brilliance?? All to the almighty's everlasting praise, of course.

Please see Jehovah's very own, special website for more details.

(Except he doesn't use his special, highly exalted name anymore, apparently prefers the initials of his very special followers....)

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feel free to add your own observations and experience.

the jws are so duplicit, and they rename things to somehow justify their own irrationalities.

Muddy Waters

Or, They're not prophets, but during the great tribulation, the nations shall know "that a prophet had been in their midst."

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JW renaming things: "It's Not this, it's ....."

by Muddy Waters in

this was brought up in another thread, but i thought it should have its own thread.

feel free to add your own observations and experience.

the jws are so duplicit, and they rename things to somehow justify their own irrationalities.

Muddy Waters

Thought of another one:

It's not masturbation, it's self-abuse.

Good grief.